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AllHipHop.com: Let's jump right in to this. Messy Marv did an interview with us a couple of days ago. When we brought up your new song about him, his response was that he didn't know who you were.
JT the Bigga Figga: First all, Messy Marv is not authentic. He likes to live up to a hype. As far as him saying that he doesn't know me, that's him trying to distance himself from the real problem that me and him have - a problem that's deeper than rap. Marv saying that he doesn't know me, is basically his acknowledgment that he knows that I'm on his a** and I'm on his head. It's not me and a thousand people. It's me by myself. There's a lot of false business that he promoted in my neighborhood where real people are gone. We've lost little ones and loved ones over this up-the-way and down-the-way beef that's going on in our neighborhood. Messy Marv is one of the main promoters. I'm not going to put all of the blame on him but I am going to say that he promoted that up-the-way down-the-way beef that's splitting up our turf Fillmore. He promoted it so much and when folks lost lives and the funk got real – he skipped town and started trying to claim the Blood gang.
Another situation is that we put Mess on to make money doing shows and charging for verses. He started collecting the money from the people and didn't show up for the shows. I personally set him up to do verses for others and he kept the money without doing the verses – putting me in the middle of it. All business was direct at first with me and him talking on the phone. Anything negative we had to say, we'd say it to each other on the phone. After a little bit of going back and forth and him not wanting to take care of his responsibilities I was like, “F*** you then n****.” He was like, “F*** you too.” I was like, “Good n****. When I see you, it's on.”
AllHipHop.com: What are your thoughts on him going at Too $hort?
JT the Bigga Figga: He's been plotting that because he's got an album that he's releasing and he needs some promotion right now. He told me out of his mouth that he was going to go after one of the “big dogs.”
AllHipHop.com: He told you in advance of this plan?
JT the Bigga Figga: He didn't say who it was specifically but he said that he was ready to fall out with n****s from the Bay because n****s ain't showing him no love. I told him that he can't fall out with people over not showing him any love 'cause he's good in his own career – do you just like I'm doing me and then way that everybody is doing them. His thing is that controversy sells. When he told me that, I wasn't really tripping because I wanted to mind my own business. But when we fell out, he told me that he's got something for me. So when he told me that, I decided to start it off to show him that it's real life with me and that's when I did the song “Take 1.” That was just a warm-up. I've got another one called “Take Your Rag Off.” I'm filming it with all of the Bloods down there in Compton, CA at Leuders Park where the real Blood sh*t started at. I f*** with real Bloods.
AllHipHop.com: So you don't think he's real?
Messy Marv is not a real Blood. You can't start claiming Blood in 2009 and think you're going to get respected for it. People have lost sons, fathers, uncles, cousins – over this colors sh*t that are never going to come back. Then you've got n****s like Messy Marv trying to promote this to the younger generation like it's cool – when you can't even come back to Fillmore! Our neighborhood put you on. Messy Marv is from Pittsburg, CA. He wasn't born and raised in Fillmore. He was born in Pittsburg and then he came to the neighborhood and we showed him love. It's not like it's always been bad with Mess. Our whole neighborhood got behind him and showed him major support. When he started having problems with different people in different places – we supported Mess. When he went to jail for the pistol case, he was in jail with some real killers. Some of those killers were real Bloods. Messy Marv started putting the Blood n****s on in jail: paying for their commissaries, taking them to the canteen, sending money to their baby-mama's on the street. One of the Blood n****s told him that it was good for him to represent.
We don't bang no colors in Fillmore. We respect the Crips and we respect the Bloods. I've got Blood family but I've never claimed it. They respect me for just being an O.G. From Fillmore. But Mess put his foot in his mouth talking about “he's got something for me.” I'm in my neighborhood! As we speak, I'm heading back to the Bay.
AllHipHop.com: What's your status like in your own neighborhood?
JT the Bigga Figga: I'm known in my neighborhood, the neighborhoods of San Francisco and the Bay Area for squashing beefs. Starting with my own neighborhood: Eddy Street, Central Street, Westside, Page Street, Hayes Valley, YGB, KO Posse, Mac Block, and O.C. Projects. When the funk was getting bloody, I wasn't ducking and hiding. I was up there talking to every spot trying to put a squash to this sh*t. This is my neighborhood. When the funk gets out of hand, there's just some things you can't stop. The track record says that JT the Bigga Figga put his life on the line to help resolve the beefs in the neighborhood. I went to Hunters Point where Harbor Road and West Point had one of the biggest wars going on in San Francisco. In 2005 at the Bay Area Rap Awards, I brought Harbor Road and West Point on stage with me. That's something that I have to give God the credit for because I don't have the power to stop anybody from killing someone. When they see that you've got love and that you really mean what you say about trying to resolve the bullsh*t – they respect you for that. The cease-fire lasted two to three years. It started back up but that's some sh*t that I can't control.
In Richmond, one of the tenement cities in the Bay Area, I brought the North and the South together to meetings trying to resolve their problems. I brought them to my house when I was living in Berkeley, CA. I had an apartment building over there. The little homeboy Twanny was representing North Richmond and my little partna Smacka was representing the South. They've had problems for years but respected when I came to their city – when nobody else gave a f***. I don't want this interview to seem like I'm promoting bullsh*t or to keep the funk going, because that's not my track record.
AllHipHop.com: So this isn't just jumping in to get some publicity?
JT the Bigga Figga: Exactly. Let me put this on the record. In 1998 I taught Messy Marv how to make beats in the studio – my studio that I did all of my albums with San Quinn, D-Moe da Youngsta, Seff tha Gaffla, GLP and Master P. I left that studio with Messy Marv on February 10th, 1998. Two days prior, me and Marv were supposed to do a song with San Quinn and Mac Mall for this one dude who was paying $4,500. We were all going to split the money. Messy Marv didn't show up to the studio on time so me, Quinn and Mac Mall split the money. When Mess came back, he was upset about being left off of the song.
The studio that I had left him with, there were people that were plotting on it that I had no knowledge of. There were people trying to pressure Messy Marv to take the studio but he wasn't letting them in because he was benefiting off of it as others in the neighborhood were. After he got left off of the song, I guess he felt it was ok to let these n****s take the studio as a “F*** You” to me. I came to the studio and that motherf***** was empty – nothing but wires, speakers and a couple of deck tapes. When the studio got stole, I'm thinking something happened. Mess isn't around – not answering his phone or pager. When I finally spoke to him, he said that he left at 5 in the morning and didn't know what happened. Long story short, I find out that the dudes who were plotting told Mess that they was going to kill him if he didn't let them in – at least that's what he ended up telling me.
Because there were neighborhoods involved and plus the people that I rock with aren't the type to be playing with, I chose to not have anybody harmed over my studio. If there's going to be any killing or smacking, I'm going to do it myself. I don't want a reputation having killers that kill for me. I chose to deal with it in a smarter way. The thieves only took the equipment. I still had a box of DAT tapes that had all of my songs with San Quinn and GLP. I took those songs and did a deal with City Hall Records for $50,000. With that money I bought a new studio, recorded new songs and made a movie called “Beware of Those.” That was to show these n****s that you can take this sh*t here but if you wanted to put me out of business, you should've taken this brain of mine. One of the dudes that helped quarterback the robbing of my studio, paid Messy Marv and San Quinn to do an album together. That's when they started the Presidential sh*t. There were a lot of sneak shots aimed at me. Despite all of that, when people wanted to kill Messy Marv over that studio robbery, God used me to stop them boys from killing him. Two weeks later, Fillmore went to hell over a mistaken identity murder but they were ready to go to war before that because of what happened to the studio. God blessed me to make the smarter decision because the objective is to out-survive the funk and the killing that's going on.
AllHipHop.com: So much time has passed by. Why speak on all of this now?
JT the Bigga Figga: To show that this is deeper than us just having a couple of words. I've been holding back for all of these years – I haven't said anything or done any interviews about it. I have to expose him because I've lost a lot of my little partna's when he started bringing that “uptown/downtown” business by saying, “If you knocking n****s down from down the way, I'm going to give you a trophy.” He's talking about giving out trophy's for knocking n****s down. He promoted that sh*t but as soon as the killing got heavy, he moved out of town and started claiming Blood. He thought he could be like Lil Wayne and be affiliated with all of the other Blood rappers out there. He thought he could be respected. Your respect is over n****! Your credibility is worse than my credit score n**** - and that's terrible!
AllHipHop.com: In his interview he spoke about the Bay not being helped or looked after. Do you feel that was sincere?
JT the Bigga Figga: He's helping to destroy the Bay while getting on the Internets to make it seem like he's helping the Bay. He charges people to do verses and joint albums and there's nothing wrong with that. But they paid for that! He didn't put anybody on. He's not out in the neighborhoods looking out for the little homies that are out getting killed everyday. He promotes bullsh*t and hides out. Too $hort has a studio in the neighborhood and motherf******* come to the studio and record for free! There's a number of young artists in the Bay right now that have an opportunity to have a career because of Too $hort! I have a career because of Too $hort. I patterned my career after him by putting n****s names in songs and then selling them the f****** tape. I also modeled myself after E-40 and his business plan. To disrespect Too $hort is to disrespect me and every other Bay Area artist that has put his head on the line representing our culture.
This ain't no fake promotional sh*t. When I see Messy, I'm going to beat the sh*t out of him, hands and feet! Let me say it one more time, hands and feet! He can't f*** with me and he knows it, which is why he doesn't want to respond. If he do, he can only respond with some fake sh*t because my report card is real. There ain't no F's on my sh*t. You can go through the Frisco hoods and they'll tell you that JT came through and put people on.
AllHipHop.com: Some don't know that you also put The Game on as well.
JT the Bigga Figga: I did an album for The Game and when he signed to Aftermath, they paid me $500,000 up front for the masters. Game is my partna. We're good folks right now. I have nothing bad to say about him. He doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything. But out of that $500,000, I took $100,000 of it and gave out $100 bills to everybody that I could – and that's on videotape! They'll tell you that when JT touches money, he comes to the hood and puts people on. It's not about giving out free money but it is about giving out free opportunity and letting people know that I appreciate them for supporting me.
Me and Snoop Dogg gave out $45,000 to the mamas in the neighborhood that lost their children to gang violence. A n**** like Mess ain't got no track record like that. He's got his partna's in KO right now. They're having real problems and they need his support. They told me that Mess ain't sent a Turkey, an Ice Cream, a bottle of Water – he ain't sent a God damn thing.
When Mess did a show in Sacramento, he paid the Oak Park Bloods for protection and to make it look like he's rockin' with the Bloods, but he really just paid them to rock with him. I'm not making this sh*t up. They took over his whole show and he didn't even rap. How gangsta is it to go to Washington and you talking all of this Blood sh*t and then a Crip n**** walks up and takes your mic? Even if he did hug you, n**** you didn't do sh*t. None of your n****s didn't do sh*t. Then y'all end up running out of there and you don't even perform. That's a p**** move, straight up! I have to let y'all know the real sh*t and after this y'all ain't gonna hear too much about me. Let me just say this: I don't want Messy Marv dead. I don't want him killed. I don't want anybody to take a shot at him. I'd rather him be alive so he can deal with hands and feet on his a** instead of being put in the ground because he's got kids to take care and I got love for them kids. That n**** right there needs hands and feet put on him and it's going to happen! I'm not saying I'm the toughest n**** in the world because hands and feet could always be put on me and I'm always by myself.
AllHipHop.com: You've certainly let off a lot of steam. Can we end this interview on a positive note?
JT the Bigga Figga: I'm working on a new album right now called Conflict of Interest. It will be out in November. I've got a magazine that me and Snoop Dogg started called Mandatory Business. It's a magazine that we put together to help the underground make something happen for themselves. Then we have a program “All About Mamas.” When we hit licks for this big rap money, we're putting somebody's mama on. It's hard for these mama's with babies. We'll take them shopping for groceries and to help take care of the household. If you take care of the community, the community will take care of you. Rappers talk about the watch or the rims they've got but how many families have you looked out for? I haven't sought out credit for this which is why you haven't seen much press about it. I've been doing it for about 6 or 7 years now. Taking care of the community helps me sleep at night.
There's also the 16th anniversary of the Million Man March in September that I'm helping to promote, and you can check that out at . I went to the one in 1995 and it changed my life.
Believe me, my faith tested daily and nightly
Can't go to sleep no more cause my demons waitin' to fight me