Messy Marv/Too $hort Beef - Page 2

**Bird Man** · 08-22-2011, 12:57 PM

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AllHipHop.com: Let's jump right in to this. Messy Marv did an interview with us a couple of days ago. When we brought up your new song about him, his response was that he didn't know who you were.

JT the Bigga Figga: First all, Messy Marv is not authentic. He likes to live up to a hype. As far as him saying that he doesn't know me, that's him trying to distance himself from the real problem that me and him have - a problem that's deeper than rap. Marv saying that he doesn't know me, is basically his acknowledgment that he knows that I'm on his a** and I'm on his head. It's not me and a thousand people. It's me by myself. There's a lot of false business that he promoted in my neighborhood where real people are gone. We've lost little ones and loved ones over this up-the-way and down-the-way beef that's going on in our neighborhood. Messy Marv is one of the main promoters. I'm not going to put all of the blame on him but I am going to say that he promoted that up-the-way down-the-way beef that's splitting up our turf Fillmore. He promoted it so much and when folks lost lives and the funk got real – he skipped town and started trying to claim the Blood gang.

Another situation is that we put Mess on to make money doing shows and charging for verses. He started collecting the money from the people and didn't show up for the shows. I personally set him up to do verses for others and he kept the money without doing the verses – putting me in the middle of it. All business was direct at first with me and him talking on the phone. Anything negative we had to say, we'd say it to each other on the phone. After a little bit of going back and forth and him not wanting to take care of his responsibilities I was like, “F*** you then n****.” He was like, “F*** you too.” I was like, “Good n****. When I see you, it's on.”

AllHipHop.com: What are your thoughts on him going at Too $hort?

JT the Bigga Figga: He's been plotting that because he's got an album that he's releasing and he needs some promotion right now. He told me out of his mouth that he was going to go after one of the “big dogs.”

AllHipHop.com: He told you in advance of this plan?

JT the Bigga Figga: He didn't say who it was specifically but he said that he was ready to fall out with n****s from the Bay because n****s ain't showing him no love. I told him that he can't fall out with people over not showing him any love 'cause he's good in his own career – do you just like I'm doing me and then way that everybody is doing them. His thing is that controversy sells. When he told me that, I wasn't really tripping because I wanted to mind my own business. But when we fell out, he told me that he's got something for me. So when he told me that, I decided to start it off to show him that it's real life with me and that's when I did the song “Take 1.” That was just a warm-up. I've got another one called “Take Your Rag Off.” I'm filming it with all of the Bloods down there in Compton, CA at Leuders Park where the real Blood sh*t started at. I f*** with real Bloods.

AllHipHop.com: So you don't think he's real?

Messy Marv is not a real Blood. You can't start claiming Blood in 2009 and think you're going to get respected for it. People have lost sons, fathers, uncles, cousins – over this colors sh*t that are never going to come back. Then you've got n****s like Messy Marv trying to promote this to the younger generation like it's cool – when you can't even come back to Fillmore! Our neighborhood put you on. Messy Marv is from Pittsburg, CA. He wasn't born and raised in Fillmore. He was born in Pittsburg and then he came to the neighborhood and we showed him love. It's not like it's always been bad with Mess. Our whole neighborhood got behind him and showed him major support. When he started having problems with different people in different places – we supported Mess. When he went to jail for the pistol case, he was in jail with some real killers. Some of those killers were real Bloods. Messy Marv started putting the Blood n****s on in jail: paying for their commissaries, taking them to the canteen, sending money to their baby-mama's on the street. One of the Blood n****s told him that it was good for him to represent.

We don't bang no colors in Fillmore. We respect the Crips and we respect the Bloods. I've got Blood family but I've never claimed it. They respect me for just being an O.G. From Fillmore. But Mess put his foot in his mouth talking about “he's got something for me.” I'm in my neighborhood! As we speak, I'm heading back to the Bay.

AllHipHop.com: What's your status like in your own neighborhood?

JT the Bigga Figga: I'm known in my neighborhood, the neighborhoods of San Francisco and the Bay Area for squashing beefs. Starting with my own neighborhood: Eddy Street, Central Street, Westside, Page Street, Hayes Valley, YGB, KO Posse, Mac Block, and O.C. Projects. When the funk was getting bloody, I wasn't ducking and hiding. I was up there talking to every spot trying to put a squash to this sh*t. This is my neighborhood. When the funk gets out of hand, there's just some things you can't stop. The track record says that JT the Bigga Figga put his life on the line to help resolve the beefs in the neighborhood. I went to Hunters Point where Harbor Road and West Point had one of the biggest wars going on in San Francisco. In 2005 at the Bay Area Rap Awards, I brought Harbor Road and West Point on stage with me. That's something that I have to give God the credit for because I don't have the power to stop anybody from killing someone. When they see that you've got love and that you really mean what you say about trying to resolve the bullsh*t – they respect you for that. The cease-fire lasted two to three years. It started back up but that's some sh*t that I can't control.

In Richmond, one of the tenement cities in the Bay Area, I brought the North and the South together to meetings trying to resolve their problems. I brought them to my house when I was living in Berkeley, CA. I had an apartment building over there. The little homeboy Twanny was representing North Richmond and my little partna Smacka was representing the South. They've had problems for years but respected when I came to their city – when nobody else gave a f***. I don't want this interview to seem like I'm promoting bullsh*t or to keep the funk going, because that's not my track record.

AllHipHop.com: So this isn't just jumping in to get some publicity?

JT the Bigga Figga: Exactly. Let me put this on the record. In 1998 I taught Messy Marv how to make beats in the studio – my studio that I did all of my albums with San Quinn, D-Moe da Youngsta, Seff tha Gaffla, GLP and Master P. I left that studio with Messy Marv on February 10th, 1998. Two days prior, me and Marv were supposed to do a song with San Quinn and Mac Mall for this one dude who was paying $4,500. We were all going to split the money. Messy Marv didn't show up to the studio on time so me, Quinn and Mac Mall split the money. When Mess came back, he was upset about being left off of the song.

The studio that I had left him with, there were people that were plotting on it that I had no knowledge of. There were people trying to pressure Messy Marv to take the studio but he wasn't letting them in because he was benefiting off of it as others in the neighborhood were. After he got left off of the song, I guess he felt it was ok to let these n****s take the studio as a “F*** You” to me. I came to the studio and that motherf***** was empty – nothing but wires, speakers and a couple of deck tapes. When the studio got stole, I'm thinking something happened. Mess isn't around – not answering his phone or pager. When I finally spoke to him, he said that he left at 5 in the morning and didn't know what happened. Long story short, I find out that the dudes who were plotting told Mess that they was going to kill him if he didn't let them in – at least that's what he ended up telling me.

Because there were neighborhoods involved and plus the people that I rock with aren't the type to be playing with, I chose to not have anybody harmed over my studio. If there's going to be any killing or smacking, I'm going to do it myself. I don't want a reputation having killers that kill for me. I chose to deal with it in a smarter way. The thieves only took the equipment. I still had a box of DAT tapes that had all of my songs with San Quinn and GLP. I took those songs and did a deal with City Hall Records for $50,000. With that money I bought a new studio, recorded new songs and made a movie called “Beware of Those.” That was to show these n****s that you can take this sh*t here but if you wanted to put me out of business, you should've taken this brain of mine. One of the dudes that helped quarterback the robbing of my studio, paid Messy Marv and San Quinn to do an album together. That's when they started the Presidential sh*t. There were a lot of sneak shots aimed at me. Despite all of that, when people wanted to kill Messy Marv over that studio robbery, God used me to stop them boys from killing him. Two weeks later, Fillmore went to hell over a mistaken identity murder but they were ready to go to war before that because of what happened to the studio. God blessed me to make the smarter decision because the objective is to out-survive the funk and the killing that's going on.

AllHipHop.com: So much time has passed by. Why speak on all of this now?

JT the Bigga Figga: To show that this is deeper than us just having a couple of words. I've been holding back for all of these years – I haven't said anything or done any interviews about it. I have to expose him because I've lost a lot of my little partna's when he started bringing that “uptown/downtown” business by saying, “If you knocking n****s down from down the way, I'm going to give you a trophy.” He's talking about giving out trophy's for knocking n****s down. He promoted that sh*t but as soon as the killing got heavy, he moved out of town and started claiming Blood. He thought he could be like Lil Wayne and be affiliated with all of the other Blood rappers out there. He thought he could be respected. Your respect is over n****! Your credibility is worse than my credit score n**** - and that's terrible!

AllHipHop.com: In his interview he spoke about the Bay not being helped or looked after. Do you feel that was sincere?

JT the Bigga Figga: He's helping to destroy the Bay while getting on the Internets to make it seem like he's helping the Bay. He charges people to do verses and joint albums and there's nothing wrong with that. But they paid for that! He didn't put anybody on. He's not out in the neighborhoods looking out for the little homies that are out getting killed everyday. He promotes bullsh*t and hides out. Too $hort has a studio in the neighborhood and motherf******* come to the studio and record for free! There's a number of young artists in the Bay right now that have an opportunity to have a career because of Too $hort! I have a career because of Too $hort. I patterned my career after him by putting n****s names in songs and then selling them the f****** tape. I also modeled myself after E-40 and his business plan. To disrespect Too $hort is to disrespect me and every other Bay Area artist that has put his head on the line representing our culture.

This ain't no fake promotional sh*t. When I see Messy, I'm going to beat the sh*t out of him, hands and feet! Let me say it one more time, hands and feet! He can't f*** with me and he knows it, which is why he doesn't want to respond. If he do, he can only respond with some fake sh*t because my report card is real. There ain't no F's on my sh*t. You can go through the Frisco hoods and they'll tell you that JT came through and put people on.

AllHipHop.com: Some don't know that you also put The Game on as well.

JT the Bigga Figga: I did an album for The Game and when he signed to Aftermath, they paid me $500,000 up front for the masters. Game is my partna. We're good folks right now. I have nothing bad to say about him. He doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything. But out of that $500,000, I took $100,000 of it and gave out $100 bills to everybody that I could – and that's on videotape! They'll tell you that when JT touches money, he comes to the hood and puts people on. It's not about giving out free money but it is about giving out free opportunity and letting people know that I appreciate them for supporting me.

Me and Snoop Dogg gave out $45,000 to the mamas in the neighborhood that lost their children to gang violence. A n**** like Mess ain't got no track record like that. He's got his partna's in KO right now. They're having real problems and they need his support. They told me that Mess ain't sent a Turkey, an Ice Cream, a bottle of Water – he ain't sent a God damn thing.

When Mess did a show in Sacramento, he paid the Oak Park Bloods for protection and to make it look like he's rockin' with the Bloods, but he really just paid them to rock with him. I'm not making this sh*t up. They took over his whole show and he didn't even rap. How gangsta is it to go to Washington and you talking all of this Blood sh*t and then a Crip n**** walks up and takes your mic? Even if he did hug you, n**** you didn't do sh*t. None of your n****s didn't do sh*t. Then y'all end up running out of there and you don't even perform. That's a p**** move, straight up! I have to let y'all know the real sh*t and after this y'all ain't gonna hear too much about me. Let me just say this: I don't want Messy Marv dead. I don't want him killed. I don't want anybody to take a shot at him. I'd rather him be alive so he can deal with hands and feet on his a** instead of being put in the ground because he's got kids to take care and I got love for them kids. That n**** right there needs hands and feet put on him and it's going to happen! I'm not saying I'm the toughest n**** in the world because hands and feet could always be put on me and I'm always by myself.

AllHipHop.com: You've certainly let off a lot of steam. Can we end this interview on a positive note?

JT the Bigga Figga: I'm working on a new album right now called Conflict of Interest. It will be out in November. I've got a magazine that me and Snoop Dogg started called Mandatory Business. It's a magazine that we put together to help the underground make something happen for themselves. Then we have a program “All About Mamas.” When we hit licks for this big rap money, we're putting somebody's mama on. It's hard for these mama's with babies. We'll take them shopping for groceries and to help take care of the household. If you take care of the community, the community will take care of you. Rappers talk about the watch or the rims they've got but how many families have you looked out for? I haven't sought out credit for this which is why you haven't seen much press about it. I've been doing it for about 6 or 7 years now. Taking care of the community helps me sleep at night.

There's also the 16th anniversary of the Million Man March in September that I'm helping to promote, and you can check that out at . I went to the one in 1995 and it changed my life.

**Bird Man** · 08-22-2011, 01:01 PM

Too Short interview

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AllHipHop.com: Let's get right down to business. We spoke to Messy Marv and he had a lot to say about you. What do you have to say about his grievances?

Too $hort: I figured he was little upset about something that was not really that major. When I finally got him on the phone and he explained it to me, I really kind of shocked. If that's how he felt, I don't understand why he chose his methods of communication: calling some guy and asking him to call me, just to ask me to call him back. Or going on the computer to say, “F*** Too $hort.” I figured it would've been way easier to just get at me. All that stuff that he's mad about, I'll go for it – it's cool. But the one thing I have to say is, I was really in a frame of mind where he wasn't really on my radar. I wasn't focused on anything he was doing as far as feeling hatred towards me. I speak on him from time to time because he was one of the Bay Area artists that keeps the independent hustle going. I like that but I wasn't really focused on this anger that he had. When he got on the phone and explained it to me, I guess I did laugh during the conversation – it was kind of funny to me. I wasn't masking my emotions. If I was angry, I would've been yelling or threatening. It wasn't that kind of conversation on either end.

AllHipHop.com: You were pretty respectful about him in a recent interview two weeks ago.

Too $hort: At that moment I had a whole different kind of compassion for the situation. I kept thinking along the lines of the best interests for the Bay and not to entertain Marv's bull****. It had nothing to do with track records, who's sold the most, who raps the best – it was for the Bay. It wouldn't look good for the Bay – as individuals and for the area. I stepped aside and let him tweet away for a week or two straight.

When he stuck with his campaign, people from different corners of the Bay and mainly from his neighborhood started calling me. All of his homies that he'd been running with told the same stories about him: JT, his homies from the Click Clack, OG's from the Fillmore area. They kept telling me that this guy has never been upstanding or dealt with people man to man. They also said that he's always been the type to run somewhere else and talk sh*t about another. Then after he would talk sh*t, he would try to work it out with that person. That was his plan with me; “F*** Too $hort” and then try to work it out and do some songs together. His background report came up and this is a repetitive behavior of his. He's done this to many rappers.

They told me that Marv quit the whole city of San Francisco and he's sitting somewhere in Sacramento, Seattle, Kansas City, and Florida doing all of this talking behind a computer. Marv had a lot of respect from me and a lot of people. But to find out that this dude just talks behind his texts or a computer? And the gayest sh*t was when he put my phone number on the Internet. That was some real girl sh*t right there. If I had known then what I know about him now, I would've really been disrespectful to him before. I didn't know he was that bad of a character.

AllHipHop.com: What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

Too $hort: When his boys kept telling me about how he doesn't come around anymore, doesn't take phone calls – this dude constantly changes his number and he even changed it again after I spoke to him two weeks ago. These are the real Fillmore thugs that held Marv down and gave him his credibility. They told me about how he was from a suburb outside of the Bay and that his cousins were from Fillmore. He came to visit his cousins and decided that he wanted to be with them. He eased his way in and Fillmore accepted him. He's from another city, just like he's trying to put the L.A. jacket on me. He's from the suburbs. After he got their respect, he started a long record of doing silly stuff like the day he left JT's studio equipment get stolen. He let a dude just walk in there with no guns or nothing. He just said that he's taking JT's stuff and Marv opened the door and let him. He didn't make a phone call or anything – just let him take the sh*t and walk out of the door.

The one that really made me mad as f*** is this: San Quinn's family had let Messy sleep on their couch during a bad moment in his life. I've been there in that position – 18 years old trying to make it in Hip-Hop and one of the homies letting me stay with them. I would never ever go back and tell a person who's helped me that I'd f*** their mama or “f*** your dead daddy.” What kind of sh*t is that in a little beef that ain't really a beef? You're never going to come out from behind your computer. You're never going to show up in the face of the person who you're talking about. I decided that this pattern has to be broken. This can't be the person that little youngsters in the Bay are saying is next in for the Crown. That whole campaign is “E-40 and Too $hort, move out of the way so the new n****s can have it.” It doesn't work like that! You don't ask somebody to move out of the way. You move them out of the way. This cat has the nerve to go at me about integrity and about being born in Los Angeles. That's no big damn secret.

AllHipHop.com: What about him saying in his interview that you are not helping the Bay?

Too $hort: The list of rappers that I've done free verses for and let open up shows or rap in the middle of my shows, is so long. But I guess I don't feel that I'm in the frame of mind of the new generation of hip-hop. I'm from the time where everybody had camps. In your camp was your producers and your rappers – and the same went for your albums. The guest appearance sh*t started in the 90's where people really started getting features. To my knowledge the best way to use a feature on an album that you're projecting to sell hundreds and thousands of copies of is to use star power. I need to go get a guest appearance from Jay-Z. I don't need to go to the Bay and put all of the rappers that haven't made it yet on my album so they can have a million ears listening to them. To me, that sounds like the Welfare system. I didn't get that love. I don't know anybody that has blown the f*** up without putting in the work themselves. There is no hand-me-downs in the industry – like a person saying “give it to me.”

I've sat down with artists and agreed to do songs with them. They'll come to the studio and we'll chop it up and I'll give them some of that game. Sometimes they'll come back again and I'll give them another verse. I don't even feel I need to name the list. I tweeted about all of the motherf****** that I've worked with in the Bay. I haven't put many on my albums but I didn't want to put them on my albums. It's not anything f****** personal. I don't need anybody to be like, “Short put me on.” I let the youngsters in Oakland work in my studio every damn day for free. They're using all of this equipment in a nice studio – and it's all on the house just because that's the love that I've got for the town. You can't rip down an upstanding dude in the community like me. Even after I moved to Atlanta for 15 years I never left Oakland alone. I came in and out of that motherf***** like I never left. The whole part about The Luniz trying to make it seem like they ran me out of town. I had to run back up on them and show motherf****** what it really was. I don't have to prove this sh*t to Marv.

I'll be the first to tell you that if I battle rapped against Messy Marv, I wouldn't give a f*** if this n**** won. I wouldn't even try to god-damn win a rap battle. Give me a f****** break. I'm not riding on him for me. I'm riding on him for the Bay. There's n****** waiting in line to get at him. It's a bad PR campaign that he's on. He's trying to sell records on Tuesday. I even went online to his cyber-world and was like, “Dude. I'm about to help you. I'm about to put your name in a whole bunch of people's mouth and help you sell some units on Tuesday.” Isn't that helping out the Bay? (laughs)

AllHipHop.com: JT said in his interview that Marv shared with him his plans to go at someone big in the Bay.

Too $hort: Yeah, it's a promo. Everybody knows this. It's no big secret. But the point is, I'm not going to let the Bay Area think that this dude is a savage. He's not going to keep selling that dream. He's not a savage. He's not a Fillmore gangsta. He says he's 31 but San Quinn says he's 36 – I don't care about that. But at 31 I was already talking retirement after 7 platinum albums. He's way behind the motherf****** race – way behind. I know that I'm not the best rapper but I know how to make songs that people like. For him to say something about taking the Crown – the Crown isn't mine. When you ask people from the Bay who's their favorite rapper they will tell you Too $hort, E-40 and Mac Dre. Those 3 names will always come up. But if you take all of the Bay rappers and base them on skills, I will never be in the top 10 and I don't give a f***! He's going to say that I used cocaine in the 80's? N**** you use cocaine right now!

AllHipHop.com: You released a diss song, “Where you at?” How quickly did you put that together?

Too $hort: It was the day I heard about in a song that he was going to f*** San Quinn's mama. I put that song together right after I got off the phone hearing that sh*t. You going to diss the homie's mama after she fed you? That's the foulest character I can think of. You won't just go man to man. You won't go to Fillmore and fight them. They're going to put up “Wanted Posters” with his face on them.

AllHipHop.com: I saw on your Twitter that you even challenged him to meet you in the Bay for a fight.

Too $hort: I chastised him because the last place I'm ever going to see him is in the Bay. If you come to the Bay, I'll fight you. It's just words in the air because he'll never go.

AllHipHop.com: Is this the last song at Marv or do you have more?

Too $hort: There's probably like 20 songs.

AllHipHop.com: You made 20 songs?

Too $hort: I didn't make them. Everybody came to me with them. It's all these dudes that hate him and half of them are Fillmore cats. You have no idea what n***** on these records are saying about him. It's spread around the whole Bay. I was going to let Marv keep his little secret but people are going to know that he's not as hard as he says he is.

You can check my background man. I've been rapping funny sh*t, talking about b*tches and pimpin'. I haven't spent the last 30 years pimpin' hoes on the street. That's not what I do. It's music. People ask if I pimp – no I don't. I rap about it. I come from a pimpin' a** city and I represent it. It sounds real entertaining and I spit real game – just like E-40 spits real game. I thought that Marv was one of our young ones doing the same thing. I did not know off the mic that he would put someone's number on the internet or just wake up one morning and say, “F*** You”, in his cyber-world. C'mon man.

AllHipHop.com: Have you changed your number since he put it on the Internet? I imagine a million people have called (laughs).

Too $hort: Imagine this, a million people called me everyday before he did that. My phone hasn't stopped ringing in years. I don't answer the phone for any other purpose than money or sh*t that I'm doing. My voice mail says, “Text Message.” That means that I'm not picking up motherf*****. I've had that message since 2006 – and that's the last time I've checked my voice mail too. It's been full since then.

AllHipHop.com: I imagine that you get a million text messages then (laughs).

Too $hort: And when he put the number up people text me, “We love you Short. F*** Mess.” This dude is 35 years old and he's acting like a little kid. And we look like immature kids because the way Twitter works is that when people Re-tweet a comment, you don't get the full story. You just get pieces of comments. The first week when they said we were battling I wasn't saying sh*t, just reading all the comments. It was entertainment.

AllHipHop.com: What's next for you in your career?

Too $hort: I've got a solo album dropping on January 24, 2012. A new single with E-40 coming. I've got a duet album with E-40 that we're working on – dropping new sh*t. You can't escape me. You're going to hear me on the radio going to the club and hear me in the club. You might see me pop up on someone's reality show. I'm not an A-List superstar but I stay in it. I hate to pop my collar like this but Marv don't know that I've got so much love in this world that I could easily – and I say easily – have a mob of red-rag wearing n***** roll up on him and tear his arms off. I could easily do that. Thugs would be like, “F*** this little fake Blood. Serve him up.” I'm not even a gang banger at all. I'm not a Crip or a Blood and I'm saying that there are so many cats mad about his illegitimate gang-banging.

AllHipHop.com: Messy Marv stated on his Twitter that you and JT were snitching by telling some of these stories. What do you think of that?

Too $hort: What's he gonna do? Get charged with a crime? Nobody is snitching on him, man. But if snitching is telling your little secret about you getting banned from Fillmore, then I'm snitching (laughs). There's no Bloods in Fillmore and the Fillmore dudes can't even figure out how he became a Blood. Who jumped him in a gang at 30 years old and made him a Blood? This is comedy!

Even when you spoke with him – I read that. It was a very awkward interview because he was coked-out man. I know from using coke in the 80's that sh*t makes your mind weird. I went back one time and read some raps that I wrote back in the early 80's. I could tell by the way the ink was pushed hard and the words were squiggly – these were coke rhymes.

AllHipHop.com: Was “Dope Fiend Beat” one of those rhymes?

Too $hort: Naw, I was done with that sh*t by then. When I used cocaine, I was broke. I never touched that sh*t after I had money. The cats that put me in the game, some real gangsters, they despised drug use. Back then just being around them, I never let them know that I used do coke. I would've gotten banned from the crew – like Marv. You've got to talk to the Fillmore dudes. They've got the funny stories on him tweaking bad and jumping out of a window. They said this man got arrested at Nordstroms for not coming out of the dressing room. He wouldn't come out! So when they went in there to get him, they found a gun on him. He used that gun-charge for his little gangster world. He doesn't talk about tweaking on cocaine in a dressing room (laughs).

I've got a question for you all. We know how to shut down Studio Gangsters because that's been done. How do you shut down a Cyber-Gangster? Somebody please contact me and tell me how do you turn off a Cyber-Gangster's computer? He's got a bunch of Cyber fans thinking that Mess is pushing a hard line. Mess should just be real and say, “Short and those cats are right. I don't f*** with Fillmore anymore. I'm not a street gangster. I'm not really a Blood.” The guy makes great music and that's why he's been able to get support. But do you've got to try to live the lie?

San Quinn kept telling me the other night, “You can't fight a ghost Short. You can't do it.” He also said, “Please don't make this dude famous.” I said, “Nope. He's about to get famous right now.” They were all at my studio. That's why you saw me tweeting at 5 in the morning – those cats had just left. I couldn't go to sleep. I had to let this n**** know that we found out the truth. I've just started. I'm not going to ease up on this dude. This isn't a rap battle. This is a motherf***** back-yard scrap. We're about to put the bounty posters up. Don't kill him. Just hand-cuff him and bring him to Fillmore. He's wanted.

**Bird Man** · 08-22-2011, 01:02 PM

Messy Marv interview

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AllHipHop.com: Can you tell us what's going on between yourself and Too $hort? I heard about some Twitter statements that you made which caused Short to release a statement. And now there's even a new diss song that's been released.

Messy Marv: First and foremost – F*** Too $hort! The man has no respect for the Bay Area or any other man. His platinum plaques have gone to his head and I'm here to check him about it since nobody else will. I'm the voice of a million men in the Bay right now that didn't have the nuts to speak up on this Bay Area topic. Everybody in the Bay has no platform but for themselves. We are like an industry within ourselves. You have the heavyweights and then you have the one's who don't have the forefront. The heavyweights won't reach back and look out for anybody. They're saying, “Bay Area this and Bay Area that” but nobody is getting any recognition from the heavyweights. That's where I come in. I feel like I have a lot more room to speak because me and Too $hort sat down personally years ago when we tried to bring the Bay Area to the forefront – with everybody coming together. I presented myself respectfully and I had the biggest catalog at the time as far as albums are concerned – and I brought all of that to the table – because that's how loyal I am to the Bay Area and how much respect I had for Too $hort. He couldn't pull the deal off.

After that meeting I received a phone call from him that was very disrespectful – like I never sat down with this man and tried to come to some kind of agreement for this Bay Area unity movement.

AllHipHop.com: What did he say to disrespect you in that phone call?

Messy Marv: I don't know if the n**** was drunk but he said something to me that was real disrespectful. I laughed in his face when he said it.

AllHipHop.com: How long ago was this?

Messy Marv: This was a couple of years back. This man has a real ego problem. He's selfish, greedy and he's old as f***. Old people are set in their ways. He says the word “we” a lot. I say the word, “me.” I don't know why Too $hort likes to say the word “we” a lot instead of saying the word “him.” So after he said something disrespectful to me and I laughed in his face, he passed the phone off to somebody else. It was just a whole f****t a** game that these n****s was playing. He mentioned the whole Bay was there meaning "Bay Area artist" and nobody was. I made some phone calls to the "Bay Area" artist he mentioned and everybody was like, "I don't know what that n**** talkin' bout." Some time had passed by and I thought to myself that I needed to ask him what the f*** did he mean by that. So I'm reaching out to different people that we both deal with. He never responded back. Recently I had a show in Reno with Bedda Weeda. He's from Oakland and I'm from Frisco. We were talking about the politics going on and I told him to get "Big Dog" on the line so I can know where his head is – so when we see each other we'll know where we're at. He didn't pick up his phone again. I said it was all good and knew how to get his attention. I reached out to him on Twitter and it wasn't about me threatening him or none of that. It was about me reaching out to Too $hort with facts and about a comment that he made that I didn't agree with. All of this sh*t was adding up and he finally responded – and it went from there.

AllHipHop.com: Too $hort released a statement a few days ago which said that you two had a 20 to 30 minute conversation and everything was cool.

Messy Marv: Let me tell you something, Too $hort is fake as f***. When he released that statement, I didn't even get a chance to read it but the phone conversation definitely wasn't 20 minutes. It was all just me asking what the f*** is wrong with him. He said that he had no idea that I was feeling this way and that it was a good thing that I called him. The n**** started laughing like it was funny or some sh*t. He started using that word “we” again. To make a long story short, we put that sh*t in the air. He said something to me and I told him,“Whatever you want to do, we can do it and anybody has the power to do something ignorant.” Its n****s that love me and Too $hort, right or wrong. Why would I get another man involved for me - to be riding on some sh*t that I can't stand up and account for myself? And that's some sh*t that he don't know how to do. At the end of the conversation it was a little shaky but I just said, “F*** it.” So I started taking my comments down from my page and the n**** disregarded it. He left his sh*t on his page and did that little interview and talked like I was some fake a** n****. So I turned right around and texted him. I told him, “You don't disrespect me bruh.” He said, "I respect you 100%" and I told him that he didn't.

The truth behind the song “Class of 84” turned this in to a media frenzy. Now he knows how powerful and real I am as a person. F*** all of this rap sh*t. I'm a person. I'm a man. He's got a problem with being a man. To top it all off, he doesn't do sh*t for anybody in the Bay Area. With all of this sh*t building up, you can imagine how I felt. I'm like, “F*** that n****.” He ain't doing anything for anybody in the Bay and yet he's got songs with everybody else in the nation. He's screaming “Bay area” but what is he doing for the Bay Area? I feel like I've got room to speak on this because I've sat down with the man on some business sh*t and offered to bring the Bay together and he couldn't pull the deal off, then years later disregarded it – all while screaming that he's got love for me the Bay Area.

AllHipHop.com: At the start of you Class of 84 song, you have an audio clip of Too $hort claiming to be from Los Angeles.

Messy Marv: I don't know where Too $hort is from. Nobody knows where that n**** is from. I'm a real Bay n****. I'm a Fillmore n**** from San Francisco, CA.

AllHipHop.com: In his statement he said that you might be mad about his verse in 40 Glocc's “Welcome to California” song where he says that there's no Crips or Bloods in the Bay. Is there any truth to that?

Messy Marv: I never mentioned that to Too $hort so maybe he felt like he shouldn't have said that – given that I represent what I represent. Maybe he feels guilty about saying that. He brought it up. I didn't.

AllHipHop.com: Bay area rapper JT the Bigga Figga jumped in to this and released a diss song at you a few days ago called “Take 1.” Did you hear that song?

Messy Marv: I don't know who JT the Bigga Figga is. If he's got a diss song about me, then go ahead and download it.

AllHipHop.com: You're not even aware of him?

Messy Marv: I don't know who he is. I guess he's just looking for some recognition in this verbal disagreement between Too $hort and myself. Whoever the f*** he is, he's just jumping on the bandwagon all on my d*** right now. Go ahead and download it and listen to it.

AllHipHop.com: I thought maybe you knew who he was since he's from Frisco too and he's put out quite a few albums.

Messy Marv: I don't know who he is and the way this sh*t is looking, there's probably going to be a lot of nobody-a** n****s taking shots for publicity. I'm not mad at that. It's a competition industry. Hip-Hop has been like that for years and years to come. I definitely won't be giving anybody recognition that hasn't worked for it. As far as this song towards me, download that sh*t. I'm not mad.

AllHipHop.com: It's been pretty quiet in the Bay and I don't mean that in a bad sense. It seems like you are shaking things up and turning it back in the Wild Wild West.

Messy Marv: It's always been the Wild Wild West. But as for it being quiet, it never would've been quiet if someone took the initiative to reach back and put the spotlight back on the Bay Area instead of just themselves. That's part of my argument with Too $hort. He uses the Bay for all of the wrong reasons. When I say that, with all due respect, Short's been rapping for a very long time. With all due respect to those albums, there are not really any Bay n****s that's on them – just The Dangerous Crew and that sh*t is old as f***. There's a lot of up-in-coming young talent in the Bay area that have no resources. Then we have this fake a** motherf***** in the forefront doing all of these songs with all of these other people saying, “The Bay Area this and the Bay Area that.” All eyes are on him and we are quiet as f*** down here, fighting for some f***ing record sales to feed our kids and get some f***ing recognition. So can he really say he paved the way?

Too $hort doesn't owe anything to anybody and I must say that. But why shout the Bay Area when you aren't helping anybody from the f***ing Bay Area? Me myself? I've been in this for 17 years and I've never had a record deal in my life. I've sold Gold independently. I pulled a Gold record out of my a**. In this process I have looked out for up-in-coming talent from Oakland, San Francisco, Vallejo and other cities across the nation. I'm talking about Compilation after Compilation – using my recognition and street credibility to help put these other artists on. Here you have this motherf***** with all of this publicity and resources and he doesn't do sh*t!

AllHipHop.com: A similar situation happened in Los Angeles. A short while back, the young up-in-coming artists were speaking out against the established stars for some of the reasons that you state. Were you aware of that?

Messy Marv: Yeah, I was aware of it. The West Coast is at an all-time low right now just because of that situation – whether it's Los Angeles or The Bay. Everybody is ego-trippin'. Then on top of that, everybody is a C.E.O. People's ego's are getting in the way. Then you've got n****s like me that get out here and grind. I take my recognition and I stay in their faces and make a statement independently. If we don't come together as a Coast, then things are just going to stay the same way. The Too $horts and other forefront artists should hand-pick a few people to do songs with and then those people can reach back to new artists and so forth. There is no unity whatsoever and don't let anybody fool you by telling you different.

AllHipHop.com: Aside from this verbal disagreement, what else do you have going on?

Messy Marv: I have one of the top-selling T-Shirts on the West Coast and in the Mid-West right now. My clothing-line Scalen Clothing just released this shirt and it's a top-seller. It's called “Square B*tches Can't Stand Me.” The video-gamers will be wearing it at the competitions. It took off real fast for me. Also I just shot the first video for my album, Kokaine Ballads Frum My S550. The album will be in stores August 23. The video is titled, “The Bay's Biggest Hypocrite.” I get on a personal level about myself speaking on Too $hort and my life and how he hasn't paved the way for me or done a mother****** thing. The video will be released on the same date. I also have an album that will release shortly after that one called "F*** Too $hort" - bananas! I just headlined my own tour which went through 18 cities called “The Wake'n Dey Cook Game Up Tour." It went good. I had an incident in Everett, WA that everybody is aware of. There's a video out where I'm on stage and I got my back turned. A Crip walks on stage and gives me a hug and pulls a sneaky move.

AllHipHop.com: I heard about that. Didn't you have your microphone taken away?

Messy Marv: Yeah he gives me a hug and snatches the mic out of my hand and gives it back to me. The media took that to some negative plateau like, “Messy Marv got his mic snatched. He's a punk.” (laughs) That just goes to show how the media is cut-throat. At the same time I made a video reply telling the people, “Hey. It happened. I didn't see him.” But this is not how to move. I'm with a 100 mother******* everybody seen it happened and allowed it to happen. I usually don't rock like that but that day I was rockin' like that, showing love to everybody that was with the n****s that was with me. It's the first incident that has happened in Messy Marv history. It could've been a lot worse. I could've gotten knocked out if it was that serious.

AllHipHop.com: It's pretty hard to defend when you don't see it.

Messy Marv: Exactly but I'm not using that as an excuse either. I totally fault myself for f****** with people that I shouldn't have been f****** with – just rockin' the way that I was rockin'. I never rock like that. I learned from it, moved on and now I move a lot different.

AllHipHop.com: One last thing going back to Too $hort. Can this situation be resolved or is it past that point?

Messy Marv: Everything can be resolved and fixed. But like I said, this is personal. I'm standing on principle and I'm standing for every artist that's come out of the Bay Area that have never had an opportunity. Look at my history. Look at my track record. Look at what I've done with no platinum plaques, no major distribution and no major record deal. It's a verbal dispute. Ain't nothing happening behind sh*t so I don't want the media to make it seem like it is. If they turned that Everett, WA video in to something bad, you can imagine what they will do with this. I'm verbally saying, “F*** Too $hort.” and mean it. When I see him and he decides to run up on me, we gon' lock up and its gon' go down.

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